看到一个感觉特便宜的车，大家来看看，是真便宜还是我外行 -> 收到回信 + 跟踪报道
本帖最后由 saarchinese 于 2009-11-16 13:19 编辑RT
http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/details.html?id=123367293&origin=PARK １０万公里了，该换的东西都要换了，如果啥都没换，这个价钱很正常的阿。 真挺便宜的 看车子还没有ａｂｍｅｌｄｅｎ，楼主可以约时间看车，然后直接开去ｄｅｋｒａ，做个ｄｅｋｒａ ｓｉｅｇｅｌ就可以了 看车子还没有ａｂｍｅｌｄｅｎ，楼主可以约时间看车，然后直接开去ｄｅｋｒａ，做个ｄｅｋｒａ ｓｉｅｇｅｌ就可以了
zjpshock 发表于 2009-11-15 20:58 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
我已经联系车主了。有没有 abmelden 有什么关系吗？做 dekra siegel 可以查出什么东西需要换吗？另外，跑了 10 万公里的车都需要换什么？ 法兰这个价有点便宜， 要找个懂行的去看看，便宜肯定是有原因的。 恩，至少没提到发动机，没提到checkheft，得去试试看才知道是不是捡到便宜了。
不过没有留下联系电话这点挺奇怪，一般便宜卖都是比较着急要出手，可是又不给电话，奇怪。
总之见到车，见到人之后再说吧。
祝楼主好运 收到回信，看到第一句话就觉得不靠谱。。。好像坛子里面看到过类似的例子。
Hallo,
Es tut mir leid aber meine german ist nicht sehr gut so ich schreibe in Englisch.
I am glad that you are interested to buy my car. The car works and stands in perfect condition, I never had any problems with the engine.
The price is 3999 EURO and negotiable.
We live in the Northern part of Switzerland, in Basel.
We have a house to spend our winter holidays in Bonn and our daughter lives also in Germany. This is why the car has deutsche plates and german registration yet. I bought it from Germany and I am the first owner.
The reason for selling it now is that we are a nice couple of pensioners (I am 58 years old), we love spending our time (and money) traveling around the world by plane, so a car is no more useful for us. Also we sold our holiday house in Germany and bought a big vacation house in Freibourg Region.
If you agree and you are decided for a meeting to see the car and make a test-drive we are ready to make a trip to Germany and meet you in a city acceptable for both of us.(were are you located?)
We truly believe that this can be a good deal!
Regards, en，不用想了，百分之二百是骗子
直接回信骂丫的！ 只是想知道，我约他来碰面看车，他能怎么骗我？ 估计会让你付一些定金吧？
要不你给他回信试试口风？ 本帖最后由 Manfred.wang 于 2009-11-16 01:26 编辑
找警察叔叔一起玩他吧。。。
放心你是永远也见不到那辆车的。。。
想出一个玩他的招：
估计这哥们骗术在网上被揭发的太多，所以又把他那个经典的email改了一下，居然还说女儿在德国，还说可以送车上门，呵呵，可信度和吸引力的确提高了一些。
他不是女儿在德国嘛，先别说你在哪个城市，先问他女儿在哪个城市，坚持跟她女儿见面一手交车一手交钱。他要是说他女儿在哪里，你就说你就在附近，让他把车开到他女儿那里等你来看。他肯定说女儿忙，不在家，可以给你直接送过去。你就说你不着急，可以等她女儿回家了在去他女儿家看车。这样他就没法跟你要定金了。反正他是打算在德国买的，那就停他女儿那里呗，车还在他家人手里，他也没多花什么钱，没理由要定金。
看看他到底还能想出什么花招？这哥们智商也不高，他要是真的这么有钱，满世界的买房子，旅游，还能买这么个破车？还用自己上网卖？直接扔给他女儿不就完了，或者直接卖车行，这个价钱随便找个车行估计就能卖出去。唉，估计是卖porsche没人鸟他，于是开始面向低端市场啦。 又是这种骗子，以前不都是在英国的吗 12楼的主意不错，如果有时间的话可以跟他好好玩玩，我觉得挺有意思的，哈 本帖最后由 saarchinese 于 2009-11-16 13:20 编辑
12楼的主意不错，如果有时间的话可以跟他好好玩玩，我觉得挺有意思的，哈
musicworm 发表于 2009-11-16 13:03 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
我已经用 12 楼的主意了。下面是跟踪报道：
Ich: thank you for your reply. Where is your daughter in Germany exactly?
Er: We will come from Germany so tell me were do you want to meet
Ich: Can we meet in Frankfurt, where you locate your car?
到现在还没有看出来他能怎么骗我。。。 回信真快：
Hi,
We can meet in Frankfurt Friday.We will make a hotel reservation so we can meet at the reception.
I am ready to meet you as we agreed and finish the deal, but before all things I must be sure that you will be there and i will not make the jurney for nothing...i hope you understand me!
My wife Karla will go to the Western Union Office here in Basel and she will make a transfer ON MY NAME with destination Frankfurt .I will be the beneficiary of 3900 EURO in Frankfurt (the place of our meeting). I think that the amount is considerable as a proof of coming and that i will be there to meet you! As soon as the transfer is finished i will scan the paper of my transfer and i will send it via e-mail!
The same thing I want from you! Your wife or a good friend of you can go to the Western Union Office (Minuten-Service Einsahlung) there in your town to any DEUTSCHE POSTBANK or REISE BANK(this is the place in Germany in association with Western Union) and make a transfer of 3900 EURO ON YOUR NAME with destination Frankfurt .I want to see you the beneficiary of 3900 EURO in Frankfurt ! This will be the proof for me that you have the money and you will come there to meet me!
My point is that after i will see this transfer on your name i will be sure that you will be there and we will go together to the WesternUnion in Frankfurt to take our money back.
Maybe you are worry about the transfer tax that your wife will pay about 150 euro, but because this condition is put by me, i will give you the money-tax back when we will meet.
I told you, I'm ready to meet you, but without this proof i will not accept to make this long road to Germany without any result.
I will wait for your decision regarding my only condition in this deal. 直接回信骂他吧，这明显就是骗钱呢 回信真快：
Hi,
We can meet in Frankfurt Friday.We will make a hotel reservation so we can meet at the reception.
I am ready to meet you as we agreed and finish the deal, but before all things I m ...
saarchinese 发表于 2009-11-16 13:24 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
跟他玩儿吧，嘿嘿
跟他玩儿吧，嘿嘿
xjun_0 发表于 2009-11-16 13:32 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
这主意也不错，那就坚持说要现金交易，而且让卖车的人提供路费 我还是不知道他说的那个 Western Union Office (Minuten-Service Einsahlung) 是个什么东西。如果用自己的名字存钱，然后碰头后再取出来，感觉没有什么破绽啊。 楼主看来还认为这一切都不是幻觉... 本帖最后由 saarchinese 于 2009-11-16 13:49 编辑
我也是当案例来分析的。。。只是现在还没有发现破绽。。。 本帖最后由 Manfred.wang 于 2009-11-16 13:51 编辑
嘿嘿，果然又是老email了，真没创意。
楼主一定要钉死了跟他女儿见面交易啊！！！他又轻松把他女儿在德国这事给抛开了。他不是说他反正也要来德国么，让他把车停到她女儿那里，反正他打算把车在德国买，早晚也得送过来，所以就钉死你不着急，可以在他把车送到之后跟他女儿交易。
坚持你也不想在根本没见到车的情况下把一大笔钱汇走，所以坚持现金交易。可以跟他说，如果车子有状况，就不买，他自掏路费，因为他”骗人“了(这个词肯定很敏感，hihi)；如果车子很好就要下了，直接一起去ummelden，成功之后直接去银行取钱给他现金，再给这个"有钱人"200块钱小费算路上辛苦钱。
除了email之外千万 别透露你的任何信息。
跟他玩儿吧，祝你开心！ 当楼主把钱存进去以后，那个人会想办法骗取楼主的个人资料
然后再办理伪造证件，在外国把钱取出去 只是想知道，我约他来碰面看车，他能怎么骗我？
saarchinese 发表于 2009-11-16 00:40 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
你根本不可能见到车，他不可能来你指定的城市给你看车的，如果你这么提要求，和你的骗子游戏，也就over了，我敢肯定，他还有n辆"便宜车"在卖！！！ ls正解，老把戏的骗术，几年前就看过相同的案例。。。楼主不想上当受骗，就不要以身试法
qlshwznono 发表于 2009-11-16 13:58 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
我咋就觉得lz有种跃跃欲试的感觉呢？ 当楼主把钱存进去以后，那个人会想办法骗取楼主的个人资料
然后再办理伪造证件，在外国把钱取出去
zr1203 发表于 2009-11-16 13:53 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
这样也可以。领教了。 本帖最后由 saarchinese 于 2009-11-16 14:10 编辑
我咋就觉得lz有种跃跃欲试的感觉呢？
xjun_0 发表于 2009-11-16 14:03 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
没有啦。谢谢大家提醒。我不会把钱划走的。
PS: 没时间跟他玩，他知道没戏了也不会在我这里浪费时间。不如回信说已经报警，吓吓他也好。 呵呵死咬他女儿在德国这件事，明确表示不着急可以跟她女儿交易，他就没办法 呵呵死咬他女儿在德国这件事，明确表示不着急可以跟她女儿交易，他就没办法
Manfred.wang 发表于 2009-11-16 14:14 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
已经恢复：
don't make things so complicated. Since your daughter is in Germany and I have enough time, I'll deal with her in cash. Please pass on your daughter this message and give me feedback on when and where to meet.
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