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今年海德堡的癌症研究所又出了个诺贝尔医学奖获得者。其实，德国历史上的科研精神还是很不错的：加上今年钱永健，历史上全部华人的诺贝尔科学奖获得者都没有海德堡一所大学多。去年化学奖好像也是德国人。德国这两年科研势头不错。但令人气愤的是教育制度的僵化，以前到德国读大学的中国本科生，竟然要从vordiplom读起，真是浪费中国学生时间。现在学制改革，也学英美那一套，有点亡羊补牢的意思。不收学费不假，但大锅饭的质量可想而知，上个大课教授长什么样都没看清楚。机械之类还不错，毕竟基础在那里，但新兴科技基本就是学理论，MBA之类也是欧洲排不上号。现在搞个什么精英大学建设，据说还要向中国请教211工程的经验$汗$ 原帖由 vdc 于 2008-10-10 15:09 发表 http://www.dolc.de/forum/images/common/back.gif
前50没一所德国大学，基本美国包了。前百所大学，只有德国3所，最好的海德堡大学排名才57，还不如北大和清华 。
清华北大的学生是精英不假，硬件也超豪华，连美国的博士排名，北大和清华都排前两名，后面才是加州大学，但国内学术水平好像一般，北大清华学生都是在美国搞学术才能充分发挥自己实力。所以学校整体实力不如德国大学才对。
上海交大的排名客观一些，国内基本没有进前百名的，但德国大学的名次仍旧不太好，没有能进前30名的。
哥们，你这回复看不懂啊，我那三个红的，你解释一下。
前50名怎么被美国包了，不是有很多英国的么？
上海交大的排名怎么客观了呢？没看见它啊
国内怎么没有进前百名的，不是有北大，清华么？ 且看英国人胡编乱造
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前50没一所德国大学，基本美国包了。前百所大学，只有德国3所，最好的海德堡大学排名才57，还不如北大和清华 。————————
这个是本次泰晤士的排名大致情况。其实英国除了牛津，剑桥，加上伦敦经济学院和帝国理工，其他基本也是没落户。但英国人很鸡贼，“没有永远的朋友，只有永远的利益”就是丘吉尔说的。当然，牛津剑桥那是没得说，全球顶尖了。
上海交大的排名客观一些，国内基本没有进前百名的
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这个排名在网上搜一下可以找到，据说还算客观。每年都排，好像国内大学没有进前百名，可以搜搜看。北大清华学生素质不错，教授一般。
这个就是上海交大高教研究所的2008世界大学排名
主页： http://www.arwu.orgTop 500 World Universities (1-100)
* Institutions within the same rank range are listed alphabetically.
World Rank Institution* Region Regional Rank Country National Rank Score on Alumni Score on Award Score on HiCi Score on N&S Score on PUB Score on PCP Total
Score
1 Harvard Univ Americas 1 USA 1 100 100 100 100 100 74.1 100
2 Stanford Univ Americas 2 USA 2 40 78.7 86.6 68.9 71.6 66.9 73.7
3 Univ California - Berkeley Americas 3 USA 3 69 77.1 68.8 70.6 70 53 71.4
4 Univ Cambridge Europe 1 UK 1 90.3 91.5 53.6 56 64.1 65 70.4
5 Massachusetts Inst Tech (MIT) Americas 4 USA 4 71 80.6 65.6 68.7 61.6 53.9 69.6
6 California Inst Tech Americas 5 USA 5 52.8 69.1 57.4 66.1 49.7 100 65.4
7 Columbia Univ Americas 6 USA 6 72.4 65.7 56.5 52.3 70.5 46.6 62.5
8 Princeton Univ Americas 7 USA 7 59.3 80.4 61.9 40.5 44.8 59.3 58.9
9 Univ Chicago Americas 8 USA 8 67.4 81.9 50.5 39.5 51.9 41.3 57.1
10 Univ Oxford Europe 2 UK 2 59 57.9 48.4 52 66 45.7 56.8
11 Yale Univ Americas 9 USA 9 48.5 43.6 57 55.7 62.4 48.7 54.9
12 Cornell Univ Americas 10 USA 10 41.5 51.3 54.1 52.3 64.7 40.4 54.1
13 Univ California - Los Angeles Americas 11 USA 11 24.4 42.8 57.4 48.9 75.7 36 52.4
14 Univ California - San Diego Americas 12 USA 12 15.8 34 59.7 53 66.7 47.4 50.3
15 Univ Pennsylvania Americas 13 USA 13 31.7 34.4 58.3 41.3 69 39.2 49.0
16 Univ Washington - Seattle Americas 14 USA 14 25.7 31.8 53.1 49.5 74.1 28 48.3
17 Univ Wisconsin - Madison Americas 15 USA 15 38.4 35.5 52.6 41.2 68.1 28.8 47.4
18 Univ California - San Francisco Americas 16 USA 16 0 36.8 54.1 51.5 60.8 47.5 46.6
19 Tokyo Univ Asia/Pac 1 Japan 1 32.2 14.1 43.1 51.9 83.3 35 46.4
20 Johns Hopkins Univ Americas 17 USA 17 45.8 27.8 41.3 48.7 68.5 24.8 45.5
21 Univ Michigan - Ann Arbor Americas 18 USA 18 38.4 0 60.6 41.7 78.1 31.4 44.2
22 Univ Coll London Europe 3 UK 3 31.2 32.2 38.6 44.3 65.8 35.4 44.0
23 Kyoto Univ Asia/Pac 2 Japan 2 35.4 33.4 38.6 35.8 70.6 31.5 43.5
24 Swiss Fed Inst Tech - Zurich Europe 4 Switzerland 1 35.9 36.3 36.1 38.1 53.6 56 43.1
24 Univ Toronto Americas 19 Canada 1 25 19.3 38.6 37 79.8 45.8 43.1
26 Univ Illinois - Urbana Champaign Americas 20 USA 19 37.1 36.6 43.8 36.1 60.3 26.9 42.9
27 Imperial Coll London Europe 5 UK 4 18.6 37.4 39.9 38.2 61.8 39.4 42.4
28 Univ Minnesota - Twin Cities Americas 21 USA 20 32.2 16.3 50 34.8 67.5 24.4 40.4
29 Washington Univ - St. Louis Americas 22 USA 21 22.4 26 38.6 43.2 56 40.5 40.1
30 Northwestern Univ Americas 23 USA 22 19.4 18.9 46.7 32.8 58.7 37.7 38.1
31 New York Univ Americas 24 USA 23 34.1 24.5 39.9 34.4 53.4 25.9 37.4
32 Duke Univ Americas 25 USA 24 18.6 0 46.1 42.6 63.4 39.8 37.2
32 Rockefeller Univ Americas 25 USA 24 20.2 58.6 29.2 42.2 22.3 37.9 37.2
34 Univ Colorado - Boulder Americas 27 USA 26 14.8 30.8 39.3 39.4 45.5 30.4 36.4
35 Univ British Columbia Americas 28 Canada 2 18.6 18.9 31.8 31.9 65.8 38.2 36.3
36 Univ California - Santa Barbara Americas 29 USA 27 0 35.3 41.9 34.9 43.2 35.4 35.5
37 Univ Maryland - Coll Park Americas 30 USA 28 23.1 20 40.6 30.4 53.1 26.1 34.6
38 Univ North Carolina - Chapel Hill Americas 31 USA 29 11.2 16.3 37.9 28.8 62 29.1 33.9
39 Univ Texas - Austin Americas 32 USA 30 19.4 16.7 46.1 26.7 54.2 21.3 33.7
40 Univ Manchester Europe 6 UK 5 24.4 18.9 28.2 28.3 60.5 30.4 33.6
41 Univ Texas Southwestern Med Center Americas 33 USA 31 21.7 33.2 30.9 31.7 39.3 32.1 33.3
42 Pennsylvania State Univ - Univ Park Americas 34 USA 32 12.5 0 45.5 38.5 58.9 24.4 33.1
42 Univ Paris 06 Europe 7 France 1 36.6 23.6 23.1 27.3 58.2 21.3 33.1
42 Vanderbilt Univ Americas 34 USA 32 18.6 29.6 30.9 23.1 50.3 36 33.1
45 Univ Copenhagen Europe 8 Denmark 1 27.4 24.2 26.3 25.4 54.5 33.4 33.0
46 Univ California - Irvine Americas 36 USA 34 0 29.4 37.2 27.5 49.3 32.9 32.8
47 Univ Utrecht Europe 9 Netherlands 1 27.4 20.9 28.2 28.8 53.3 26 32.4
48 Univ California - Davis Americas 37 USA 35 0 0 46.7 31.7 63.2 30 32.2
49 Univ Paris 11 Europe 10 France 2 33.3 46.2 14.6 20.4 47 23.1 32.1
50 Univ Southern California Americas 38 USA 36 0 26.8 38.6 24.7 52.6 26.7 32.0
51 Karolinska Inst Stockholm Europe 11 Sweden 1 27.4 27.3 31.8 18.3 50.1 25.7 31.6
52 Univ Pittsburgh - Pittsburgh Americas 39 USA 37 22.4 0 40.6 23.2 63.1 28.3 31.3
53 Univ Zurich Europe 12 Switzerland 2 11.2 26.8 24.7 27.5 50.2 32.4 31.0
54 Rutgers State Univ - New Brunswick Americas 40 USA 38 13.7 20 39.9 27.9 44 23.8 30.9
55 Univ Edinburgh Europe 13 UK 6 20.2 16.7 26.3 32.3 49.7 30 30.8
55 Univ Munich Europe 13 Germany 1 33.1 22.9 16.3 25.6 52.7 31.8 30.8
57 Tech Univ Munich Europe 15 Germany 2 41.1 23.6 25.3 18.9 44.8 30.6 30.5
58 Univ Florida Americas 41 USA 39 20.2 0 37.2 22.7 64.9 26.6 30.4
59 Australian Natl Univ Asia/Pac 3 Australia 1 15.8 12.6 35.7 30.5 43.4 32.2 30.0
60 McGill Univ Americas 42 Canada 3 25.7 0 32.6 22.8 60.3 34.3 29.9
61 Univ Bristol Europe 16 UK 7 9.7 17.9 28.2 28.1 47.8 33.5 29.5
62 Carnegie Mellon Univ Americas 43 USA 40 31.2 32.8 31.8 11.3 35.7 30.9 29.3
62 Ohio State Univ - Columbus Americas 43 USA 40 15.8 0 41.9 19.8 63 20.3 29.3
64 Univ Oslo Europe 17 Norway 1 23.1 33.4 17.9 17 46.7 29.8 29.0
65 Hebrew Univ Jerusalem Asia/Pac 4 Israel 1 29.6 20 24.2 22.9 44.1 28.7 28.8
65 Purdue Univ - West Lafayette Americas 45 USA 42 16.8 16.7 30.1 22 52.8 21 28.8
67 Univ Heidelberg Europe 18 Germany 3 17.7 27.2 17.9 20.4 49.2 29.3 28.4
68 Osaka Univ Asia/Pac 5 Japan 3 11.2 0 26.3 28.2 63.6 28.7 28.3
68 Univ Helsinki Europe 19 Finland 1 16.8 17.9 21.9 20.8 53.8 30.1 28.3
70 Moscow State Univ Europe 20 Russia 1 49.1 34.2 0 8.3 53.2 33.4 28.1
71 Brown Univ Americas 46 USA 43 16.8 13.6 31.8 26.6 40.4 29.9 27.9
71 Uppsala Univ Europe 21 Sweden 2 23.1 32.2 12.6 19.3 49.5 21 27.9
73 Ecole Normale Super Paris Europe 22 France 3 53.4 24.5 12.6 17.2 25.9 56.2 27.7
73 Univ Melbourne Asia/Pac 6 Australia 2 13.7 14.1 23.1 19.6 58.1 26.7 27.7
73 Univ Rochester Americas 47 USA 44 29.6 8.9 27.3 21.6 44.1 36.1 27.7
76 Univ Leiden Europe 23 Netherlands 2 22.4 15.5 28.2 17.7 47.6 28.8 27.6
77 Univ Arizona Americas 48 USA 45 0 0 30.1 36.5 54.2 25.9 27.5
77 Univ Sheffield Europe 24 UK 8 20.9 14.1 21.9 25.5 47 29.7 27.5
79 Tohoku Univ Asia/Pac 7 Japan 4 16.8 0 21.9 23.2 63.9 28.9 27.1
79 Univ Utah Americas 49 USA 46 0 11.5 30.1 29.2 48 26.1 27.1
81 King's Coll London Europe 25 UK 9 14.8 23.1 21.9 15.3 48.7 28.6 26.8
82 Univ Nottingham Europe 26 UK 10 13.7 20 24.2 16 47.9 28.7 26.5
83 Boston Univ Americas 50 USA 47 13.7 0 30.1 27.5 51.5 17.8 25.6
83 Case Western Reserve Univ Americas 50 USA 47 36.3 11.5 21.9 15.2 42.1 31.5 25.6
83 Michigan State Univ Americas 50 USA 47 11.2 0 35.7 22.4 51.6 18.5 25.6
86 Stockholm Univ Europe 27 Sweden 3 26.3 29.6 16.3 19.2 36.2 19.7 25.5
87 Univ Basel Europe 28 Switzerland 3 23.1 17.1 20.6 21.1 35.7 34.9 25.4
88 Texas A&M Univ - Coll Station Americas 53 USA 50 0 0 32.6 24.5 55 20.9 25.2
89 McMaster Univ Americas 54 Canada 4 14.8 18.9 21.9 14.7 46.1 26.4 25.1
90 Univ Goettingen Europe 29 Germany 4 34.5 20 14.6 16.5 40.3 25.6 24.9
91 Univ Birmingham Europe 30 UK 11 22.4 10.9 21.9 15.6 47.3 28 24.8
92 Indiana Univ - Bloomington Americas 55 USA 51 12.5 17.9 26.3 21.2 39.3 18.1 24.6
93 Aarhus Univ Europe 31 Denmark 2 13.7 18.9 7.3 24.5 48.2 27 24.5
93 Arizona State Univ - Tempe Americas 56 USA 52 0 14.1 24.2 28.2 43.1 18.9 24.5
95 Univ Virginia Americas 57 USA 53 0 0 32.6 26.3 47.2 25.5 24.4
96 Univ Freiburg Europe 32 Germany 5 22.4 20.9 16.3 19.2 38 24.2 24.2
97 Lund Univ Europe 33 Sweden 4 26.3 0 25.3 18 51.7 18.6 24.1
97 Rice Univ Americas 58 USA 54 19.4 21.9 21.9 19.7 29.5 29.3 24.1
97 Univ Bonn Europe 33 Germany 6 17.7 20 14.6 20.2 41.3 24.7 24.1
97 Univ Sydney Asia/Pac 8 Australia 3 17.7 0 20.6 16.4 58 26.8 24.1 这些排名都是first degree，也就是本科阶段， 德国大学一般本硕连读，所以很难拍进本科top200大学 $怒吼$ $怒吼$ $怒吼$
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也不一定，科研水平，学术声誉，教授数量等等也都是考核指标。比如在SCI发表论文等等。比如这个就是上海交大高教所排名的方法学指标说明：
Ranking Methodology
1. Selection of Universities
2. Definition of Broad Subject Fields
3. Ranking Criteria and Weights
4. Definition of Indicators
5. Scoring Procedures
6. Data Sources
7. List of Abbreviations
1. Selection of Universities
The ranking list for ARWU - FIELD includes every institution that has any Nobel Laureates, Fields Medals, and Highly-Cited Researchers. In addition, major universities of every country with significant amount of articles indexed by Science Citation Index-Expanded (SCIE) and Social Science Citation Index (SSCI) are also included. In total, more than one thousand institutions have been actually ranked in each broad subject field.
2. Definition of Broad Subject Fields
Institutions are ranked by five broad subject fields, including Natural Sciences and Mathematics (SCI), Engineering/Technology and Computer Sciences (ENG), Life and Agriculture Sciences (LIFE), Clinical Medicine and Pharmacy (MED), and Social Sciences (SOC). Arts and humanities are not ranked because of the technical difficulties in finding internationally comparable indicators with reliable data. Psychology/Psychiatry is not included in the ranking because of its multi-disciplinary characteristics.
3. Ranking Criteria and Weights
Similar to ARWU, institutions are ranked according to their academic or research performance in each broad subject field. Ranking indicators include alumni and staff winning Nobel Prizes and Fields Medals, Highly Cited Researchers, articles indexed in Science Citation Index-Expanded (SCIE) and Social Science Citation Index (SSCI). Two new indicators were introduced, one is the percentage of articles published in the top 20% journals of each field, and the other is the engineering research expenditure.
Indicators and Weights for ARWU - FIELD
Code
Weight
SCI
ENG
LIFE
MED
SOC
Alumni
10%
Alumni of an institution winning Fields Medals in mathematics and Nobel Prizes in Chemistry and Physics since 1951
Not Applicable Alumni of an institution winning Nobel Prizes in Physiology or Medicine since 1951
Alumni of an institution winning Nobel Prizes in Physiology or Medicine since 1951
Alumni of an institution winning Nobel Prizes in Economics since 1951
Award
15%
Staff of an institution winning Fields Medals and Nobel Prizes in Chemistry and Physics since 1961
Not Applicable
Staff of an institution winning Nobel Prizes in Physiology or Medicine since 1961
Staff of an institution winning Nobel Prizes in Physiology or Medicine since 1961
Staff of an institution winning Nobel Prizes in Economics since 1961
HiCi
25%
Highly cited researchers in 5 categories:
ØMathematics
ØPhysics
ØChemistry
ØGeosciences
ØSpace Sciences
Highly cited researchers in 3 categories:
ØEngineering
ØComputer Science
ØMaterials Science
Highly cited researchers in 8 categories:
ØBiology & Biochemistry
ØMolecular Biology & Genetics
ØMicrobiology
ØImmunology
ØNeuroscience
ØAgricultural Sciences
ØPlant & Animal Science
ØEcology/ Environment
Highly cited researchers in 2 categories:
ØClinical Medicine
ØPharmacology
ØSocial Sciences, General (Partly)
Highly cited researchers in 2 Categories:
ØSocial Sciences, General (Partly)
ØEconomics/ Business
PUB
25%
Articles Indexed in Science Citation Index-Expanded in SCI fields
Articles Indexed in Science Citation Index- Expanded in ENG fields
Articles Indexed in Science Citation Index- Expanded in LIFE fields
Articles Indexed in Science Citation Index- Expanded in MED fields
Articles Indexed in Social Science Citation Index in SOC fields
TOP
25%
Percentage of articles published in top 20% journals of SCI fields to that in all SCI journals
Percentage of articles published in top 20% journals of ENG fields to that in all ENG journals
Percentage of articles published in top 20% journals of LIFE fields to that in all LIFE journals
Percentage of articles published in top 20% journals of MED fields to that in all MED journals
Percentage of articles published in top 20% journals of SOC fields to that in all SOC journals
Fund
25%
Not Applicable
Total engineering-related research expenditures
Not Applicable
Not Applicable
Not Applicable
4. Definition of Indicators
Alumni indicates the total number of the alumni of an institution winning Nobel Prize in physics, chemistry, medicine and economics and Fields Medals in mathematics. Alumni are defined as those who obtain bachelor, Master¡¯s or doctoral degrees from the institution. Different weights are set according to the periods of obtaining degrees. The weight is 100% for alumni obtaining degrees in 1991-2000, 80% for alumni obtaining degrees in 1981-1990, 60% for alumni obtaining degrees in 1971-1980, 40% for alumni obtaining degrees in 1961-1970, and finally 20% for alumni obtaining degrees in 1951-1960. If a person obtains more than one degrees from an institution, the institution is considered once only. Nobel Laureates in Physiology or Medicine are used in both LIFE and MED ranking.
Award indicates the total number of the staff of an institution winning Nobel Prizes in physics, chemistry, medicine and economics and Fields Medals in mathematics. Staff is defined as those who work at an institution at the time of winning the prize. Different weights are set according to the periods of winning the prizes. The weight is 100% for winners in 2001-2007, 80% for winners in 1991-2000, 60% for winners in 1981-1990, 40% for winners in 1971-1980, and finally 20% for winners in 1961-1970. If a winner is affiliated with more than one institution, each institution is assigned the reciprocal of the number of institutions. For Nobel Prizes, if a prize is shared by more than one person, weights are set for winners according to their proportion of the prize. Nobel Laureates in Physiology or Medicine are used in both LIFE and MED ranking.
HiCi indicates the number of highly cited researchers in twenty subject categories defined and provided by isihighlycited.com. These highly cited researchers are assigned to five broad subject fields. If a researcher is listed in more than one subject category, his/her weight for each category is the reciprocal of the number of categories listed. Specifically, researchers who are listed in Social Science, General Category are checked one by one, and they are reclassified into three groups according to their affiliation colleges/departments. People worked at health-related units such as medical school, school of public health and school of nursing are grouped for MED ranking, people affiliated to Psychology/Psychiatry departments are not considered for the ranking, other individuals in this category are totaled for SOC ranking.
PUB indicates the total number of articles indexed by Science Citation Index-Expanded and Social Science Citation Index in 2005 and 2006. Only publications of article type are considered. Each article published by an institution is assigned into one of the six broad subject fields according to journals the article was published in (Classification of Journal Categories), including above-mentioned five broad subject fields and Interdisciplinary and Multidisciplinary Sciences. If an article is published in a multi-assigned journal (which is assigned to more than one ISI category), it is divided into related groups.
TOP indicates the percentage of articles published in the top 20% journals of each broad subject field. Top 20% journals are defined as their impact factors in the top 20% of each ISI category according to Journal Citation Report, 2006. Articles in the top journals of each ISI category are then aggregated into the six broad subject fields and the TOP is calculated as the number of articles in the top 20% journals of a particular broad subject field to that in all journals of the field. A threshold was set for the minimum number of top articles in each broad subject field. The threshold was defined as 10% of the average of top articles by the top three institutions in each broad subject field. If the threshold of a particular field is less than 100, then 100 is used. If the number of top articles of an institution does not meet the minimum threshold, the TOP indicator is not calculated for the institution and its weight is relocated to other indicators. Only publications of article type are considered.
Fund indicates the total engineering-related research expenditures in 2006. This indicator is only used for ENG ranking. If the data for all institutions of a country cannot be obtained, the Fund indicator will not be considered for the institutions and its weight will be relocated to other indicators. For this ranking, the amounts of engineering-related research expenditures are obtained only for institutions in USA and some institutions in Canada.
5. Scoring Procedures
For each indicator, the highest scoring institution is assigned a score of 100, and other institutions are calculated as a percentage of the top score. The distribution of data for each indicator is examined for any significant distorting effect and standard statistical techniques are used to adjust the indicator if necessary.
Scores for each indicator are weighted to arrive at a final overall score for an institution. The highest scoring institution is assigned a total score of 100, and other institutions are calculated as a percentage of the top total score. The scores are then placed in descending order.
6. Data Sources
Nobel laureates. http://www.nobelprize.org
Fields Medals. http://www.mathunion.org/medals/
Highly cited researchers. http://www.isihighlycited.com
Articles indexed in Science Citation Index-expanded, Social Science Citation Index. http://www.isiknowledge.com
Journal Citation Report, 2006. http://www.isiknowledge.com
Engineering-related research expenditures by school, 2006. ASEE: Engineering College Profiles and Statistics.
7. List of Abbreviations
Abbreviations used in the names of institutions are as follows:
Agr - Agriculture
Chem - Chemistry
China-hk - China - Hong Kong
China-tw - China - Taiwan
Coll - College
Fed - Federal
Inst - Institute
Med - Medicine
Natl or Nacl - National
Phys - Physics
Sch - School
Sci - Science
Tech - Technology
Univ - University 个人感觉上交版比“太误事”那个靠谱:D